The elder member of what constitutes Arsenal Analysis is old enough to remember watching Pat Rice in an Arsenal shirt! He draws an interesting comparison with Justin Hoyte.

I remember when Pat Rice made his debut for Arsenal. A young kid from Northern Ireland who grew up next door to Highbury. Who, after working at a greengrocers on Gillespie Road joined the Gunners as an apprentice in 1964. Apart for four years at Watford (1980-1984) he has never really left Arsenal. Playing at right-back, he was a stalwart at the club through the 1970s eventually becoming club captain.

I remember the press making the point that after so many appearances at Arsenal he remained the only outfield player at the time who was without a goal to his name. A kind of football virgin if you like! Or a latter day John Jensen (who joined Arsenal in 1992 scoring his first goal two years later). We the fans were of course urging Pat on in every game to go forward and try his luck. He managed 13 goals in the end (not all in that game)!

He was never an attacking full back. He didn’t like going forward so much and always concentrated on doing the simple things well. In those days the full backs were indeed full backs who were not really encouraged to be that adventurous. Bob McNab (the Arsenal left back in the 70s) used to do it more often and he was considered an exception to the rule. What I remember most about Pat Rice in football terms was that he played with gusto, tenacity and determination and always put safety first. Conservative but dependable.

I have been noticing most of these characteristics in Justin Hoyte. He has improved a great deal since he went out on loan to Sunderland and came back stronger and more experienced. And his recent performances for the England Under 21s have been in my opinion very good (apart from his penalty miss). Unlike Pat Rice he has already scored for Arsenal!

He also has pace which is inherited from his parents, who were very decent sprinters themselves.He grew up at Arsenal tagging along with his parents who have a coaching role at the club. A little bit like Pat Rice who practically lived at Arsenal.

He is ofcourse in competition with Eboue for the right back position. He does not have the flair and skill of Eboue but then again Eboue doesn’t have the positioning awareness and dependability of Hoyte. Eboue of course has impressed this season more for his attacking flair and the beautiful crosses he put in the box for Henry to exploit.

Especially the late winner against Manchester United and the headed goal against Porto at the Emirates in the Champions League. He has indeed performed well as a right wide midfielder whenever he was used in that position. Arsenal Analysis and others of course have seen the potential in this switch (Arsene who to buy?).

Is there I wonder a place for both in the current Arsenal team?


P.S Pat Rice holds the distinction (along with Bob Wilson) of having taken part, as player or coach, in all three of Arsenal's Doubles. Let’s hope that Justin Hoyte matches that…at least.



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7 comments

Comment from: Goon_old_days [Visitor]
suppose he is one of the only to consider being the only british player in our squad!! Is no-one else dissapointed with the lack of british players in our team? The dirty yids can do it and too be honest they arent that far behind us if behind us at all!! it's not as if all the foreign players are even bringing glory anymore!!
22nd June 2007 @ 13:09
Comment from: Nick McDonald [Visitor]
Spuds not far behind us, if at all? There miles behind, they may have some money and had a decent season, but we had a terrible season and were still in front. On the foreign players issue, it is whoever makes the grade. Huddlestone, Defoe and Jenas wouldn't get in our side. We have had loads of English players who have not quite made it - Bentley, Jeffers, Sidwell etc. but even if they are good now, they never would have got picked ahead of Pires, Freddie, Manu and Paddy. Where's the next Paddy for £4m or whatever we paid for him too?
22nd June 2007 @ 13:51
Comment from: janus [Visitor]
there is no way hoyste can be compared with pat rice against holland in the second half all their attacking came via the left wing where was hoyte retreating as he always does against attackers without tackling them definiately not top class just a squad member it that
22nd June 2007 @ 14:31
Eboue lacked focus last season or else he's way ahead of Hoyte. Eboue benched Robinho & had Nedved redcarded. He held his own against C_Ronaldo twice this season. Hoyte's too limited for Arsenal.If anything a fit Kerrea Gilbert whom we haven't sold yet's a more complete player.
22nd June 2007 @ 16:34
Comment from: goon old days [Visitor]
go and fc uk yourself with this british crap,
english win you nothing!! FACT
like the managers players from england are over rated media whores who sell you fools out every time a major championship comes around.. look at steve mcCLOWNen now ,sven done what was required of himk. took you to the qtrs.. no one with a brain would of expected you to get past that.
so you win f all with english or to be managed by english..(if your reading tony adams) hell will freeze before you manage arsenal!
22nd June 2007 @ 17:40
Comment from: tighter tighter ,to the ball [Visitor]
can't see hoyte shouting tighter tighter , to the ball during the games!
22nd June 2007 @ 17:42
Comment from: Jimmy [Visitor]
I'm sorry i have to agree with the other comments. Is he positionally soild and dependable? Not really.. He is being judged in that regard in relative terms to Eboue who had a bad season. Honestly i think that there are a lot of prem teams he probably wouldn't be first choice, let alone Arsenal. I like his attitude and he has improved but he really isn't good enough in my opinion.
22nd June 2007 @ 18:18

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